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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:32:08 -0500, Big J wrote, in
part:
>"doomella" wrote in news:OCLWe.3121$i86.859@trndny01:
>Not to mention a previous terrorist attack at the WTC. Or how about OK City?
>What a moronic thing for this guy to say.
The attack in Oklahoma certainly qualifies as major, but it was a crime
committed by a small group of deranged loonies.
The attack on September 11, 2001 was, on the other hand, connected with
the major forces of international terrorism - forces that indeed have
killed Americans before, not just in the previous WTC attack, but in
airplane hijackings of the 1970s or on the _Achille Lauro_ where two
American Jews were, BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH, SELECTED FOR
EXTERMINATION.
After September 11, just about every American personally felt at risk, a
potential target of terrorist attack. The dimensions of the threat were
unclear, and are still somewhat unclear. Shutting down all air travel
over North America is not something done lightly.
Certainly, there were other terrorist attacks, but in terms of public
perception, the one of September 11, 2001 was indeed unique at the time
it took place.
It changed the rules.
And yet we still had, *after* September 11, an incident in Nigeria where
a raging *Muslim* mob felt licensed to attack innocent non-Muslims
because they didn't like something a newspaper had written. Also, there
have been riots in Indonesia by Muslims since then as well, where the
rioters attacked non-Muslims. And there have been public expressions of
support in Palestine for terrorists in organizations such as Hamas.
Thus, it is not true that, after September 11, all Muslims, except those
currently in terrorist organizations, engaged in deep soul-searching and
dealt with erroneous attitudes they might have had that could lead to
terrorist activity.
Laws that deny full equality to non-Muslims, and prescribe penalties for
Muslims who convert to other faiths, are still on the books in several
Islamic countries.
John Savard
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John Savard wrote:
Indeed, and don't forget your garden variety floods that have drowned
many tens of millions this past century alone. Katrina was teeny
compared to what China and Bangladesh prosaically endure every other
year.
> enough, staying away from certain coastal areas - can keep loss of life
> to a minimum.
Or standard evacuation drills for those living *under* the sea perhaps?
> previously UNKNOWN hazard, that is in ADDITION to the UNAVOIDABLE
> hazards of life that already existed.
>
Jihad: Americans need to familiarize themselves with this word, or
perish.
> It is an unpredictable hazard, whose *boundaries*, whose *limits*, are
> not known.
> airplane into a building, and do it *twenty* times instead of *three*
> times in one day... or get his hands on atomic weapons... we might see
> something MUCH worse than September 11.
> habit.
Thank you. The Bush Doctrine is, alas, our only hope.
Thank you, John Savard.
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"doomella" wrote in news:OCLWe.3121$i86.859@trndny01:
> news:432b72fa.1928335@news.usenetzone.com...
> Oh, no they're not. There have been terrorist attacks in Paris and London
> for years.
Not to mention a previous terrorist attack at the WTC. Or how about OK City?
What a moronic thing for this guy to say.
Big J
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"John Savard" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:13:58 +1000, "Rick in Oz"
> quoted, in part:
that
lot
> enough, staying away from certain coastal areas - can keep loss of life
> to a minimum.
> previously UNKNOWN hazard, that is in ADDITION to the UNAVOIDABLE
> hazards of life that already existed.
Oh, no they're not. There have been terrorist attacks in Paris and London
for years.
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:13:58 +1000, "Rick in Oz"
quoted, in part:
>She said: "We have had another natural disaster that's kind of making that
>look like nothing in comparison. Well not nothing, but it's worse in a lot
>of ways."
There's a big difference.
There have _always_ been hurricanes.
Prudent precautions - keeping the levees up, making buildings strong
enough, staying away from certain coastal areas - can keep loss of life
to a minimum.
Major terrorist attacks in peaceful Western countries are a NEW and
previously UNKNOWN hazard, that is in ADDITION to the UNAVOIDABLE
hazards of life that already existed.
It is an unpredictable hazard, whose *boundaries*, whose *limits*, are
not known.
If Osama bin Laden can think of another stunt as effective as flying an
airplane into a building, and do it *twenty* times instead of *three*
times in one day... or get his hands on atomic weapons... we might see
something MUCH worse than September 11.
So we have to *crush* this terrorism before it gets entrenched as a
habit.
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Babbles Schwarz wrote:
> July 1 - 7, 2005
ATTENTION: GARRY SCARFF IS THE FORGER, THREAT MAKER, HARASSER, STALKER,
DEFAMER AND LIAR. BARBARA SCHWARZ ISN'T COMMITTING ANY CRIMES.
He rallies reader to file false complaints about Barbara Schwarz to her
library in his hundreds of forgings under her name to spam that
library. You should contact Earthlink.net, Scarff's ISP and demand from
him to cancel the forger Scarff's account. The CEO of Earthlink is
Charles "Garry" (no joke) Betty, and the email address
is:abuse@abuse.earthlink.net. An ISP who allows the kind of crimes,
terror and abuse that Scarff is making on a daily basis should be
barred from the net.
Search results for Garry Scarff's ISP: 207.69.138.199
EarthLink, Inc. EARTHLINK2000-D (NET-207-69-0-0-1) 207.69.0.0 -
207.69.255.255 Norman Broadbent Int, INC MINDSPRING-DEDA-8AC0
(NET-207-69-138-192-1) 207.69.138.192 - 207.69.138.207
http://cybercrimes.net/99MSCCC/MSCCC/Article6/6.01.1.html
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f056.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/f1/forg-law.asp
Tell Earthlink and any other appropriate authority that Scarff commits
felonies.
Deprogrammer (kidnapping and torture to break faith of people) Garry
Scarff assaults and stalks intelligent and well natured Barbara Schwarz
and Marty Rathbun or Mark de Rothschild on behalf of most if not all of
the anti-religious extremists. See
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/index.html
He posts currently with e-mail addresses containing "Wohega",
"Mindless" and "GarryS" BarbaraSchwarz@mad.scientist and more from
California and stole also my Analytical Publication and the Anonymous
Informer author identity. This guy has no clue what sanity is. Wonder
what he gets paid for his lies, stalkings, forgeries and assaults.
Joblesss bum, Earthlink terrorist, death treat maker and bomb threat
maker Garry Lynn Scarff from Hollywood California hates, harasses,
stalks and lies about Barbara Schwarz because she does not want him and
he never will get a chance with her. LAPD investigates Scarff under
case no: 04-4693. He is posting that the investigation against him is
dismissed by some kind of Commercial Crime Investigation Unit. Barbara
Schwarz swore under oath that he never filed a complaint against Scarff
to this unit. It also makes no sense. Scarff is a jobless guy, what has
he to do with commerce? Ask him to post the letter of dismissal under
that specific case number, which he can't as the case is not dismissed.
If the criminal investigation indeed would be dismissed, the LAPD would
provide him with a letter of dismissal mentioning that number. If LAPD
detective would indeed dismiss that investigation, they should share a
prison cell with Scarff. He continues to commit crimes against federal
and state laws. They can't let him come away with death threats,
forging, impostering and assaulting and maliciously defaming Barbara
Schwarz and others in public.
Latest information also reveals that the LAPD opened another file
number in which the focus is on Garry Lynn Scarff. It is no: 05-3061.
Scarff knows that forgery is a felony, but he is committing a couple of
hundreds a week.
The Portland Police Department has at least four reports about Scarff
and informed, reports are written only when a crime is committed.
He even got his criminal hands on Barb's mail as he operates under her
name.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/8e988df87b=
c5daef?hl=3Den
Call the Salt Lake City jail or the Provo Mental Hospital: Barbara
Schwarz never set a foot in them. Scarff is criminally fabricating
that. She also never threatened or libeled anybody. If you read libel
and thread with her name on it, it will lead you right to Scarff's
computer in California.
I read all her postings, he never posted anything against a child, and
she never posted anything anti-semitic or otherwise race based. She
asked Dave Touretzky why he takes grants from and works with
psychiatrists despite his knowledge that psychiatrists made horrible
experiments on Jews during the Nazi time.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky00.html
If you ask me, Scarff is beyond his snapping point. One day he will
board Greyhound and harm or kill her.
http://www.webelievers.com/26838-Open-Letter-to-Episcopal-Church-Rev-Frank-=
Griswold-and-other-executives.html
Phoenix New Times 1995-11-30
Attorney Kendrick Moxon says, "Garry Scarff is a liar." He says Scarff
was
a deprogrammer who became disenchanted with Cult Awareness Network
and came to Scientology begging to be used against his former
allies.
Moxon disagrees. "Scarff's own father says he's a scumbag."
Note that Garry Scarff lied also under oath. It is called perjury. He
admitted that most what he said during a legal deposition of the
Fishman-Geertz case were lies.
Some other also forgers on ARS. Any Scientologist who dares to post on
ARS is being forged by the fanatical anti-Scientologists.
Spacetraveler made his case that Gerry Armstrong (fugitive of American
justice) forges him.
http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html
Keith Henson, also a fugitive of American justice, stalked a private
Scientologist in Hawaii, and published his photos without authorization
on the net. Soon after that forgeries appeared under the names
Sunsurfer, Faxhor, Anonymous Informer and a private citizen with name
Robert Carlton.
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/henson1.html
Scarff is supported in his lawless activities by a very young man with
posting ID "Viper". If you want to know more about John Stilwell
(Viper) google "NANAE punk" or go to www.freespeechstore.com. They know
a lot about this above the law cyber punk and Internet bully.
http://freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?Search_Keyword=3Dviper&btnSearch2=
=3DFind+Speech
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/80cba19773=
5ea948?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
> blockbuster War of the Worlds was "They're Already Here"-but
> any learned Scientologist could have told you that long ago. As you may
> have heard, WOTW star Tom Cruise is a 20-year veteran of the Church of
> Scientology, which reportedly teaches that human beings contain
> clusters of "body thetans," or spirits of aliens who died 75
> million years ago in an intergalactic purge of overpopulated planets by
> the evil overlord Xenu.
> and behavior, and must be "cleared" through "auditing," a form
> of confessional therapy. For Scientologists (whose Hollywood ranks now
> include John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, and Nancy Cartwright, the voice
> of Bart Simpson), battling creatures from space isn't just the stuff
> of allegorical multiplex spectacle-it's nothing less than the path
> to self-fulfillment.
> Spielberg's film does make one Scientology-friendly tweak to H.G.
> Wells's 1898 novel of Martian attack (the aliens' war-making
> infrastructure has been implanted on earth for millions of years), and
> it's no wonder Cruise chose the movie as his first production to
> benefit from an on-site Scientology tent.
> injured," Cruise told Der Spiegel, like a battle-weary soldier
> extolling the Red Cross; no word on whether the film's agon incited
> sympathetic revolts of BTs among cast and crew, though we can all cross
> our fingers that Katie Holmes's resident aliens, unbound by earthling
> non-disclosure agreements, will one day pen a tell-all book.
> of a science fiction pulp, it's because late leader L. Ron Hubbard
> (1911-86) once plugged away as an SF hack, contributing to journals
> such as Unknown and Astounding Science Fiction. In 1940, Astounding
> serialized Hubbard's book Final Blackout, a topical dystopia of
> lawless post-war Europe; according to Russell Miller's 1987
> Scientology expos=E9 Bare-Faced Messiah, the novel "led to hopeful
> comparisons with Jules Verne and H.G. Wells."
> the anxiety of Wells's influence, which penetrated not only
> Hubbard's stories and novels but his self-help methodology-laid out
> in the 1950 bestseller Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental
> Health-and the eventual Church of Scientology's extraterrestrial
> tenets. (The first published article on Dianetics ran in 1950 in, where
> else, Astounding Science Fiction.)
> the forward-thinker, who "thinks constantly and by preference of
> things to come," just like the "Clear" in advanced Scientology,
> who has rid himself of "engrams," or disabling imprints of past
> traumas.
> apparent need for sleep or sex, and communicate telepathically; the
> Scientologist has a Calvinist work ethic, keeps his motor clean, and
> having reached the rarefied "Operating Thetan" levels Cruise is
> allegedly an "OT6"), can learn to read minds.
> could be classified as merely psychosomatic; in Wells, the Martians
> have eliminated illness entirely. Were Wells' aliens the
> proto-Scientologists?
> Cruise's-crusade against psychiatry is that Dianetics simply
> repackaged the basic Freudian concept of psychic determinism, whereby
> conflicts within the unconscious spill out into the open through
> irrational behaviors and psycho-somatic symptoms.
> mind-"a single source of all your problems, stress, unhappiness and
> self-doubt"-and the "clear" mind, scrubbed of neuroses, with an
> enhanced IQ and near perfect recall. (Perhaps Katie will be able to
> remember exactly where and how she met her fianc=E9 once she's further
> along in her auditing sessions.)
> battle between Reactives and Clears, as wailing herds of hysterical
> humans respond to alien predation with mass panic while their cerebral,
> workaholic visitors calmly go about irradiating them.
> of necessity has brightened their intellects, enlarged their powers and
> hardened their hearts"-three for three on the Hubbard scoreboard.
> The Nation's 1950 review of Dianetics worried over "its conception
> of the amoral, detached, 100 percent efficient mechanical man,"
> because such unaffiliated self-sufficiency "does not exist except in
> a psychotic state" (cf. Cruise's character in Collateral).
> perceived enemies of the notoriously litigious Scientology organization
> could be "tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed," and who once
> wrote that a solution to low scorers on the Dianetics "tone scale"
> would be "to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow"-a notion
> Wells, a sometime advocate of eugenics, may not have found altogether
> abhorrent in other contexts.
> the most grievous attacks are usually launched from within; paranoia is
> endemic, a perpetual night of a thousand engrams.
> sci-fi into Scientology, Hubbard might have taken inspiration from
> Wells' shell-shocked narrator at The War of the Worlds' end,
> wandering a scorched and ruined London: "About me my imagination
> found a thousand noise-less enemies moving."
>=20
> http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/05/43/film-winter.php
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July 1 - 7, 2005
Mystery Scientology Theater
How War of the Worlds anticipated the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard
by JESSICA WINTER
The ominous tagline in early trailers for the alien invasion
blockbuster War of the Worlds was "They're Already Here"-but
any learned Scientologist could have told you that long ago. As you may
have heard, WOTW star Tom Cruise is a 20-year veteran of the Church of
Scientology, which reportedly teaches that human beings contain
clusters of "body thetans," or spirits of aliens who died 75
million years ago in an intergalactic purge of overpopulated planets by
the evil overlord Xenu.
In Scientology-speak, these "BTs" adversely influence our thoughts
and behavior, and must be "cleared" through "auditing," a form
of confessional therapy. For Scientologists (whose Hollywood ranks now
include John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, and Nancy Cartwright, the voice
of Bart Simpson), battling creatures from space isn't just the stuff
of allegorical multiplex spectacle-it's nothing less than the path
to self-fulfillment.
War of the Worlds is hardly Cruise's Battlefield Earth, but Steven
Spielberg's film does make one Scientology-friendly tweak to H.G.
Wells's 1898 novel of Martian attack (the aliens' war-making
infrastructure has been implanted on earth for millions of years), and
it's no wonder Cruise chose the movie as his first production to
benefit from an on-site Scientology tent.
"The volunteer Scientology ministers were there to help the sick and
injured," Cruise told Der Spiegel, like a battle-weary soldier
extolling the Red Cross; no word on whether the film's agon incited
sympathetic revolts of BTs among cast and crew, though we can all cross
our fingers that Katie Holmes's resident aliens, unbound by earthling
non-disclosure agreements, will one day pen a tell-all book.
Look to the light, Tom
If the founding myth of Scientology sounds torn from the yellowed pages
of a science fiction pulp, it's because late leader L. Ron Hubbard
(1911-86) once plugged away as an SF hack, contributing to journals
such as Unknown and Astounding Science Fiction. In 1940, Astounding
serialized Hubbard's book Final Blackout, a topical dystopia of
lawless post-war Europe; according to Russell Miller's 1987
Scientology expos=E9 Bare-Faced Messiah, the novel "led to hopeful
comparisons with Jules Verne and H.G. Wells."
Like any aspiring SF scribe of his era, Hubbard had to shadowbox with
the anxiety of Wells's influence, which penetrated not only
Hubbard's stories and novels but his self-help methodology-laid out
in the 1950 bestseller Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental
Health-and the eventual Church of Scientology's extraterrestrial
tenets. (The first published article on Dianetics ran in 1950 in, where
else, Astounding Science Fiction.)
In his 1902 lecture "The Discovery of the Future," Wells endorsed
the forward-thinker, who "thinks constantly and by preference of
things to come," just like the "Clear" in advanced Scientology,
who has rid himself of "engrams," or disabling imprints of past
traumas.
In Wells' War of the Worlds, Martians labor incessantly, with no
apparent need for sleep or sex, and communicate telepathically; the
Scientologist has a Calvinist work ethic, keeps his motor clean, and
having reached the rarefied "Operating Thetan" levels Cruise is
allegedly an "OT6"), can learn to read minds.
According to Hubbard, ailments ranging from the common cold to leukemia
could be classified as merely psychosomatic; in Wells, the Martians
have eliminated illness entirely. Were Wells' aliens the
proto-Scientologists?
One of the more ironic aspects of Hubbard's-and now
Cruise's-crusade against psychiatry is that Dianetics simply
repackaged the basic Freudian concept of psychic determinism, whereby
conflicts within the unconscious spill out into the open through
irrational behaviors and psycho-somatic symptoms.
Dianetics differentiates between the unconscious or "reactive"
mind-"a single source of all your problems, stress, unhappiness and
self-doubt"-and the "clear" mind, scrubbed of neuroses, with an
enhanced IQ and near perfect recall. (Perhaps Katie will be able to
remember exactly where and how she met her fianc=E9 once she's further
along in her auditing sessions.)
A Scientologist reading of Wells would identify a sadly asymmetrical
battle between Reactives and Clears, as wailing herds of hysterical
humans respond to alien predation with mass panic while their cerebral,
workaholic visitors calmly go about irradiating them.
Wells' narrator observes of the Martians, "The immediate pressure
of necessity has brightened their intellects, enlarged their powers and
hardened their hearts"-three for three on the Hubbard scoreboard.
The Nation's 1950 review of Dianetics worried over "its conception
of the amoral, detached, 100 percent efficient mechanical man,"
because such unaffiliated self-sufficiency "does not exist except in
a psychotic state" (cf. Cruise's character in Collateral).
Such concerns were apt regarding Hubbard, who would later declare that
perceived enemies of the notoriously litigious Scientology organization
could be "tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed," and who once
wrote that a solution to low scorers on the Dianetics "tone scale"
would be "to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow"-a notion
Wells, a sometime advocate of eugenics, may not have found altogether
abhorrent in other contexts.
On Hubbard's battlefields, you are either with us or against us, but
the most grievous attacks are usually launched from within; paranoia is
endemic, a perpetual night of a thousand engrams.
In conjuring the angry viral ghosts called body thetans and mutating
sci-fi into Scientology, Hubbard might have taken inspiration from
Wells' shell-shocked narrator at The War of the Worlds' end,
wandering a scorched and ruined London: "About me my imagination
found a thousand noise-less enemies moving."
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/05/43/film-winter.php
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"Thanatos" wrote in message
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> In article
> ,
> TranslucentAmoebae wrote:
possession"http://www.tmz.com/2008/03/11/mary-ann-busted-with-mary-jane/
responsibility"http://www.tmz.com/2008/03/12/it-wasnt-mary-anns-mary-jane/
> difference?
He can't tell you...too drunk.
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> "A truly rich man is one whose children run into his arms when his
> hands are empty."
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